Jason Hoke- Drums
Jeff Swoboda- Bass
Nate Hammond- Keys/Synth
Chris Heckman- Vocals/Guitar
The Denver indie rock scene is very supportive as many of the bands collaborate with each other and have a close-knit, dedicated community of local fans. Do you feel there are some difficulties to breaking out of that clique and reaching a broader audience when you play locally? Is there ever a fear that you’re not being exposed to enough new listeners at Denver shows?
Chris: It is easy to get comfortable in the bubble, but at the same time, if you do it right…like right now we are starting to hit the point where we are expanding past that bubble. But the bubble is necessary, you need that. I think that’s what supports us to go travel around the country and to legitimize ourselves. Ya know, do we really deserve this? And when the rest of the country takes note, then yes, I think we do.
Jeff: You can get comfortable but at the end of the day, you wanna push it. At the end of the day you’re trying to push, get out there, get national and if you’re not, that’s fine, but you lay where you put yourself, I guess.
Economics aside, what is your touring philosophy? Many of your contemporaries here hit the road for several regional tours every year. Are Epilogues geared toward the live show as a primary means of spreading their art and their message?
Chris: Take a little bit up at a time, at first I think we tried too hard.
Nate: You can get there, but if you’re not in those markets at least 4 times a year, you’ll be irrelevant because you’ll be forgotten.
Jeff: Our philosophy is piece by piece, basically. And you gotta take a hit money wise. You’re not gonna get paid the first couple tours, it’s how bad you want it and what you want, really.
“Hunting Season” is a great song. It has a very true meaning- you have a goal, and you get closer and closer to it, all the while things you’re used to in your life start falling apart. In order to supremely achieve that goal, you’ll have to sacrifice a lot, are you ready for that type of commitment? Have you thought about that?
Chris: I think we HAVE thought about it.
Nate: I don’t know how much life would really change.
Jeff: At this point we’ve kinda set ourselves up for all or nothing,
Nate: It’s either this, or nothing else.
Chris: I’m not going to banking school. I pretty much decided when I was 14 that this is what was gonna happen. We all decided on that when we formed this band. We all live together, I’m 29 years old, and I live in like a “cat house”. None of us wanna do that, but we do it because we love the art.
Nate: Yeah, gotta keep your eye on the prize. And if you don’t you’re gonna get caught up in the stupid shit. Ya know, we can have the best week ever, but if someone left their moldy dish in the sink I’m gonna think about that more than I’m thinking about certain things sometimes. But that’s just the nature of the beast cuz you gotta keep focus. It is a big game of sacrifice and focus. We have no idea what the obstacles are gonna be 6 months or 5 years from now, but I think we’ve kinda conditioned ourselves to be able to adapt to whatever the hell is thrown at us..
You guys spend most of your time together, do you ever get sick of each other?
All 4 guys, in unison, replied: “haha, ya”.
Nate: Kicking holes in the wall, kicking doors off hinges, we’re like brothers so it’s literally like how a family would fight. We have a few simple rules that we’ve stuck to lately…respect, communication, and to just be accountable.
You’re good looking guys, so it’s no wonder that a lot of your songs are about heartaches associated with relationships. What other types of heartache have you experienced that may be reflected in your music now, or in the future?
Chris: That’s a loaded question right there……
Jeff: Yeah, Can we get some chairs? (laughs)
Nate: To not be specific, we’ve gone through deaths in the family, I won’t evenname some shit…but anything that anybody could possibly go through, one of the four of us has gone through.
Jeff: Yeah, anything in the world that sucks, one of us has had to deal with head-on. Head injuries, car explosions…Jason almost died last year….
Nate: Dying friends, dying family, relationship woes…but that’s the best part- we’re no different than anyone else
Jeff: yeah, and losing an xbox,
Nate: and the cat always drinks my water and it’s fucking annoying
Chris: and then one time there was a litter nugget in there…
Chris- you have a very unique tone to your voice..do you think it hurts OR helps you?
Chris: No? haha. I got made fun of a lot in high School. It is different. A lot of people don’t expect it to come out of me. It is what it is. It’s taken me a while to find my singing voice to be honest. It started out really, really, British back in the early days. It was gross. I think recently I’ve just embraced what comes naturally and it’s been working out.
Nate: People tell us all the time that “we’re just trying to be like Silversun [Pickups]”. No! That’s just what he sounds like!
What is one thing that you think the band could improve on as a whole?
Chris: Consistency, as far as practicing.
Nate: Commitment, But it’s easy to be happy with where we are. Right now we could be happy just sitting in Denver being hailed as “up and comers” and we could just be “weekend warriors”. It’s always, like I said, as cliché as it is, “staying hungry”, being on the front of your game. We’re always trying to think of the next big idea. What are we gonna do next? What merch are we gonna do next, what songs, etc. I don’t wanna use all those cliché things but it’s true: “Failing to plan is planning to fail”, it IS true. Nobody’s making that shit up. We’ve been doing this ourselves for six years so we kinda have an idea of the cycles, the seasons, and the shit we need to be doing. The EASIEST thing to do is just be lazy. That’s probably mankind’s number one problem: effort.
Jeff: and as more accolades come, too, it gets easier to sit back and just indulge. It’s like we doze off and we have to wake each other up. But we didn’t get to where we are by sitting on our hands and enjoying the show, ya know?
What is your favorite venue to play when you’re home? …there’s gotta be one!
Nate: Undecided. But I do like the Gothic cuz that’s where we’ve had the most packed shows..
Chris: Red Rocks is definitely the coolest venue. And 1st bank center was cool
Jeff: Ogden’s pretty great.
What do you guys find in your smaller, more intimate shows vs. the bigger amphitheaters like red rocks?
Nate: The Gothic’s nice because you can fill it easy!
Chris: Gothic is cool cuz you can see that first row of people
Nate: Ya, and then the rest of it just goes to a blur…
Jeff: It’s always cool, though, when you can’t see the open space
Nate: There’s so much fog
Chris: Ya, and all the lights. But hearing that roar when we’re done playing, I don’t really know how to define it. You can hear the echo from the back and THAT’s cool!
Nate: We’ve never wanted to be a band that’s strictly associated with one place.
The last decade in Denver music may be looked at nationally as the time when The Fray or 3OH3! broke out and became global names. What advice would you give to a local band with a more eclectic indie sound who sees those artists and wants to find success outside of Denver without compromising their art or targeting the Top 40, MTV crowd?
Nate: We always say, “Write music with your heart, and protect it with your head”. That’s the best advice I could give anybody cuz there’s a lot of times you wanna put your heart out there, but there’s a set line. You have to be relentless and you have to be fearless. No one’s gonna hand it to you. You see a lot of bands that had it handed to them, and didn’t want it. The bands that last are the ones who really wanna do it.
Jeff: You wanna be a doctor, you gotta work your ass off, you wanna be an athlete you gotta work your ass off, and if you wanna be a musician, you better hustle.
Chris: I think everybody wants this job.
Jeff: But that’s the thing. Everyone wants to be a rock star. Everyone wants that part, nobody wants the whole thing. No one wants to live in a house that’s dilapidated, and they don’t wanna live on almost nothing.
Nate to chris- what, you don’t wanna work at Starbucks for 11 years? (laughing)
The Epilogues are very relatable guys. They truly are normal people. They face things like the rest of us but don’t crumble under pressure. They don’t announce their failures or experiences to the world. Quite frankly, they do what they have to do. They admit that sometimes they get distracted and at certain times prefer acting like normal guys who aren’t in a band, but they always pull themselves together. Having played the Westword Music Showcase and recently the Underground Music Showcase, they’re putting the effort in and including the fans of their hometown. Denver will never be forgotten, but there are many other cities that need to be exposed to The Epilogues, and they plan on spreading the word anywhere possible!
-JT and Double A
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